Discours du ministre du Tourisme sur le budget 2018-2019
Mr Anil Gayan a prononcé un discours au parlement mauricien le 18 Juin 2018 lors des debats sur le budget 2018-2019.
Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, may I first of all congratulate the hon. Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance for the presentation of a Budget qui a l’adhésion de la population.
Madame la présidente …
Ils sont libres de faire un walk-out.
Madame la présidente, je disais que c’est un budget qui a été qualifié par certains membres de l’opposition comme un non-event, par d’autres comme une farce et par d’autres aussi comme un budget qui n’a aucun effet. Mais ce qui compte avec un budget, parce que le budget c’est un instrument politique, c’est un instrument économique, et le Premier ministre a pu présenter un document traçant l’économie, pas seulement pour l’année en cours mais pour les années qui à venir. C’est un budget qui a un consensus au niveau de la nation. C’est un budget, qui, à mon avis, paves the way for a better Mauritius.
Madam Speaker, the theme of this Budget was clearly spelt out by the Prime Minister as being “Pursuing our transformative journey” on the basis of a shared vision and harmonious living. We have always said, on this side of the House, that we need to have an inclusive society, that we need to have a society that is sustainable, inclusive, and we need to generate wealth for that to happen because without wealth creation, there will be no sharing. This is why we believe that this particular Budget sets the stage for inclusive development for a sustainable development and for wealth creation.
But as all things in life, a Budget in Mauritius has to take into account what goes on in the world. We had Brexit. We had the hiking petroleum products because of Donald Trump,
the President of the United States moving out of the Iran deal. We have now a US trade war with China and with the European Union, another major trading blocs. We have uncertainty in the Middle East, especially after the United States recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. So, these are things over which we have no control. In Mauritius, a Budget has to take all these things into account because we are a very small country with a small economy. We cannot lay down the rules as the major powers do. We have to work with everybody and this is why this Budget, I think, succeeds in getting everybody around and to getting Mauritius on a path of growth, on a path of prosperity, and on a path of making all Mauritians feel proud.
Let me say something about the fuss that is being created about this Passport business. And I say this because this morning in one of the newspapers, in l’Express, the headline was – “«vente» du passeport mauricien, un véritable danger.”
And yet, in the same paper yesterday this is what was said, and I quote from l’Express Dimanche de 17 Juin 2018 à la page 5. And I say this because many Members of the Opposition and many members in the media keep talking about Mauritius being a Banana Republic. Now, if we are really a Banana Republic who would want to get a passport of that Banana Republic. And this why I think it is important for me to make the point that we in Mauritius we cannot think that we are the centre of the world. We have to act with the rest of the world and when we say things in this country, it has an impact all over the world because of social media digitalisation and all the modern means of communication. But let me come back to what was said yesterday in that newspaper, and I quote –
« Une sacrée levée de boucliers contre le projet de « vente » de passeports ! La réaction émotionnelle, enrobée de dignité est que nous serons ainsi un pays sans amour-propre, sans fierté, rabaissée par le désespoir, alimentant notre image de république bananière. Je ne suis pas entièrement d’accord!
D’abord, ce pays a besoin d’investissement et dépend essentiellement des étrangers pour, au cours des années à venir, doper le pouvoir d’achat local sur lequel quelques projets majeurs dépendent, alors que notre démographie recule. On peut ne pas être d’accord avec les choix économiques faits (dans lequel cas, il faut quand même aussi proposer les plans alternatifs qui assureront la croissance et les emplois au niveau souhaité par la population ! Où sont ces alternatives ?), mais il n’y a aucune manière d’assurer ne serait- ce qu’une once de chance aux projets de Smart Cities et d'IRS en chantier, par exemple, si nous n’accueillons pas plus d’étrangers à bras ouverts !
Nous ne sommes, d’ailleurs, pas les premiers à «vendre» notre citoyenneté. L’Autriche accorde un passeport, réputé 4e meilleur au monde (171 pays rendus accessibles sans visa) contre un don non remboursable de $ 2 à 4 M ou un investissement privé de $ 10 M. Le programme EB5 des États-Unis offre la green card, qui mène au passeport, pour un investissement de $ 1 M (et dix emplois) ou même de $ 0,5 M dans une région «défavorisée». La Bulgarie demande $ 1,2 M, mais, comme Chypre, va jusqu’à rembourser l’investissement éventuellement… Le passeport de Malte se paie $ 1,85 M et comme le 8e plus valable au monde (166 pays sans visa) permet de vivre et de travailler n’importe où dans l’UE et même en Suisse. Fait intéressant, Malte impose un plafond de 1 800 passeports à son programme… faites le calcul. »
And then he goes on to Antigua and Dominica.
“Tous ces programmes demandent de satisfaire quelques critères minimums et, à l’ère du KYC – Know Your Client - demandent à l’acheteur de passeport de faire certifier la légitimité de ses fonds d’origine. »
And then he goes on – “Le programme proposé par Maurice n’en dit pas moins ! Aux paragraphes 107 et 108 du discours du Budget, on dit clairement que l’EDB va gérer deux «schemes», l’un pour obtenir la citoyenneté, l’autre pour obtenir un passeport et que l’étranger en question devra satisfaire «defined criteria and… due diligence». » Madam Speaker: Hon. Gayan, I will just stop you there just to tell you that you can quote from newspapers, but just do not quote extensively.
Mr Gayan: Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will comply with your ruling. I was just saying that that particular article also mentions Sobrinho. A lot has been said in this House and outside about Sobrinho. I hold no brief for Sobrinho. I am not his friend; I do not know him, but after the terrorist attacks of 2001 in the United States, Madam Speaker, there can be no movement of massive funds without a due diligence being carried out by the Banks. No money can come into Mauritius from overseas without the banking system being fully aware of it. And when money comes, whether it is Sobrinho or someone else, or whether it is Dawood Rawat taking money overseas, there has to be a bank involved.
When Sobrinho brought money, there was a due diligence carried out, I presume by the Barclays Bank because Barclays Bank gave a platinum card to the President. But I am also informed that the Mauritius Commercial Bank carried out a due diligence. And yet, after that exercise, everybody thinks that the money is tainted. Maybe the due diligence is not strong enough or whatever, but one cannot simply, comme on dit en français, descendre la réputation des gens sans des preuves. If somebody has been convicted, fine, but just on the basis of attacking somebody’s character is not the right thing because this has repercussions on the image that we have overseas. No investor will come to Mauritius if he knows that this is the treatment that he or she is going to get whether in this House or outside this House.
But now that the hon. Leader of the Opposition has come, let me come back to what he said when he was the Minister of Finance. I say this, Madam Speaker, because I have a lot of regard for the Leader of the Opposition, I have a regard for everybody in this House. But I believe that when somebody has been a Minister of Finance, when he becomes the Leader of the Opposition, he has to have a degree of detachment and objectivity when dealing with the Budget. It cannot be that everything in a Budget is wrong.
Let me say that after he had presented the Budget in 2012, Mr Li Kwong Wing who was the spokesman of the Opposition replied as the first Member on the Opposition to reply to the Budget. And I quote from Hansard and Mr Li Kwong Wing said –
“Allow him, Mr Speaker, Sir, to begin with some comments on last year’s Budget. What it said and what it has delivered so far. Remember it was about more growth for the greater good! There was a list of deliverables to be completed within a time scale and examples are so many…
Let me take the growth rate first, the first economic indicator of the impact of their Budget and also the key theme and aim of that Budget. The Minister holds that there will be a growth rate of 3.4% in 2012. Every economic analyst in the private sector has estimated it to range from 3.1 to 2.9.”
And then he goes on -
“Let us say that it is a flop.”
That was the Budget of the hon. Leader of the Opposition, according to the Opposition. And then he goes on to say that the way the Budget had been handled by the then Minister of Finance, c’était un “lavage à sec, dry cleaning sans baignoire.” And it goes on like this.
The PMSD thinks that the Tourism Industry belongs to them. That if they are not there, tourism does not work. Let me give them some figures, Madam Speaker! I think it is good that they know that the Tourism Industry will survive independently of any political party.
In 2012, in his Budget Speech, the hon. Leader of the Opposition said this –
“101. In the Tourism Industry, the trends in 2012 demonstrate clearly the benefits of adapting to global transition.
102. Arrivals from Africa, Asia and Australia all showed double digit growth this year thus compensating for weaker arrivals from Europe. In total, tourist numbers have been stable but occupancy rates have fallen as a result of increasing room capacity.”
I have the figures of tourist arrivals for 2012. Year 2012, tourist arrivals - 965,441. Percentage changed over previous year, 0.1%. 0.1%!
Madam Speaker: No, please!
Mr Gayan: 0.1%! The hon. Leader of the Opposition also prepared the Budget of 2013. In 2013, this is what he said about Tourism –
“189. And I will start with challenges in the Tourism industry.”
They always have challenges in the Tourism Industry.
“190. As a result of strong measures taken in last year’s Budget and the diversification plan applied by the Ministry of Tourism and Leisure, we have been able to revive growth in the tourism sector.
191. The Tourism industry has picked up recently with growth rates of 11.5 per cent in August and 8.4 per cent in September. (…)”In 2013, what is the rate of growth for the year? 2.8%!
2.8% over the year! This is why I say: Il ne faut pas vendre la peau de l'ours avant de l'avoir tué. The 2.7% as at present is for the first five months. We have the best months coming. We will wait in December, you ask me that question, I will tell you the rate of growth. And I will also say …
Madam Speaker, it is good that he knows - and he knows - in 2003, I became the Minister of Tourism. Because the problems faced by the Tourism Industry, I was the instrumental with the then Government to waive all visa requirements for people from China, India and many of the Arab countries. It was too complicated for them to send their passports to the capital to get visa. That visa waiver has been very beneficial to the Tourism Industry. He knows that. These are decisions that we took, but from which he benefited because we lost power in 2005. Never mind! That’s part of the game.
That’s part of the game!
But in 2013, Madam Speaker, the hon. Leader the Opposition, who was Minister of Finance, set up a Joint Public Private Tourism Committee to look principally at destination marketing strategy. That was in 2013. It was implemented in 2014. And what happened to that committee in 2015 when he became Minister again? He scrapped that committee. So, presumably, he put up that committee as Minister of Finance to have an oversight over what hon. Minister Yeung Sik Yuen was doing at the Tourism Industry. Presumably! He was a Member of the PMSD. So, he was fané as member of the PMSD.
Madam Speaker: Hon. Leader of the Opposition, do not interrupt him! He did not interrupt you!
Mr Gayan: Madam Speaker, let me say because tourism…
Madam Speaker, I will come to China, but let me say that the hon. Leader of the Opposition boasted about more than 10% double-digit growth in tourism. We were relying on China to boost tourist arrivals. There was China Southern that was coming to Mauritius. China Southern was coming to Mauritius with an amount of subsidy from the MTPA. That was stopped when he was Minister of Tourism. Immediately, we saw a big drop in Chinese arrivals.
Before coming to this House this afternoon, Madam Speaker, I was with a delegation of Zhejiang Provincial Tourism Bureau at the Intercontinental Hotel. They are having a forum today and they have many people who have come from Zhejiang. We have Mr Che Jun, Secretary of Zhejiang Provincial Committee of the Communist Party of the Republic China, Mr Jin Yonghui, quite a number of top level people from Zhejiang. This is a direct result of the roadshow that I led to Zhejiang last year. We want the Chinese market to continue because China is a major reservoir of tourists, not only for Mauritius, but for many countries in the Indian Ocean, but that there are structural problems in the Chinese Tourism Industry. Seychelles has also experienced a drop.
The Maldives has experienced a drop. I must say that we are very concerned about this. I am talking regularly to Air Mauritius and also to other airlines and to see with the Chinese authorities how we can boost arrivals from China. But, when we talk about boosting arrivals from China, we must also have the Tourism Industry in Mauritius on-board.
Any tourist from wherever he comes must be given the same treatment as the European tourist. A differential in the quality of treatment discourages certain categories of tourists from coming to Mauritius. So, I am working with l’AHRIM. I am telling them they must train their staff to ensure that any tourist from wherever country he or she comes, whatever may be the origins, must be given the quality treatment, and unless we do that, we will always continue to have problems with certain categories of tourists. This is why, Madam Speaker, I say that China will continue to be a major source of tourism for Mauritius. I am happy that that delegation is here. They have come with their political members. They have also come with 150 members of the media and journalists. I do hope that this will have a lot of impacts in the Chinese market.
Madam Speaker, I say that the number has dropped from China, but it has also dropped from Reunion which is a major market for Mauritius. The reasons are simple. As from last year, there is le principe de continuité territoriale adopted by the French authorities with regard to travel within France. French Blue is a charter flight from France to Reunion. Charter Blue is offering an airfare from Reunion to Métropole at 350 Euros. Under the principle of the continuité territoriale, la Région gives 300 Euros to every passenger. So, in effect, the réunionnais is paying only 50 Euros to get to France. When I enquired about this, I was informed that the continuité territoriale was only for one trip per person per year. Yesterday, I met some people who are involved at high level in the tourism industry in Reunion and they said: ‘Although that is a principle, yet the fact is that everybody is getting this continuité territoriale as many times as he or she wants.’
So, inevitably, there will be an impact in Mauritius. So, this is why I keep saying that Tourism is a vulnerable industry. Something happens anywhere in the world, we have an impact here. We can see a couple of weeks ago we had this demonstration of LGBT in Port Louis. Immediately, in Reunion there was a problem and now this problem has been exported to France. So, my concern, Madam Speaker, as a Minister of Tourism, is that we need to keep maintaining the high image that we have. We must be patriotic and we have to do that at all times and not try to bring down our own country, because whenever we do make a statement that damages the image of the country, it has an effect. When people act in a manner which damages that image, it has even more important effect. So, my appeal to Mauritians is that let us not do anything that will damage that tourism industry, and let us make sure that anybody who does is taken to task.
Réunion, Madam Speaker, the number has fallen down because of the reasons I have mentioned, and until we address the issue of air fares from Réunion to Mauritius, we will continue to have that problem. It is easy to say, “Oh, tourism has gone down!”, etc. But, as a responsible politician, as a responsible journalist, instead of being braggy, “Oh, it has gone down, it has gone up!”, let us see what are the structural problems in the industry. This is why we are planning to talk to Air Mauritius and Air Austral and others to see how we can boost arrivals from Réunion.
Madam Speaker, you may have seen in the Papers yesterday that we are talking of an Indian Ocean Pass. There have been attempts at the level of the Commission de l'océan Indien to try to have a regional airline. It is not possible; it is not feasible. We have to face the facts. We don’t have that volume of traffic between islands of the Indian Ocean to justify such a carrier. So, the idea has been floated. Let us give an opportunity to whoever comes in the region; for example, someone comes from France to Seychelles, he wants to come to Mauritius, we have a single fare, let us say 100 euros. 100 euros from Seychelles to Mauritius, 100 euros from Mauritius to Madagascar and Comoros whatever, that would be the Indian Ocean Pass. I hope it works. This is how we can generate more traffic within the islands. But, of course, we need to have visa requirements waived as well, because for the Comorians to go to Réunion, for example, they have serious visa problems. So, these are things that we are addressing, and these are things that we need to look at in a more dispassionate matter and try to construct that industry in a way that really answers the needs of the times.
Madam Speaker, tourism - we have always marketed Mauritius as a high-end destination, and the Mauritian Tourism Promotion Authority will continue to do that. We will naturally consolidate all the major markets for our tourism, but we also need to understand that things change. There is a lot of competition, especially in the Indian Ocean, and there will always be other events that come and will impact on the industry.
We have always believed that air connectivity is critical to the success of the tourism industry. We are happy that Saudi Airlines is coming to Mauritius, we are happy that Kenya Airways has started its operations, Nairobi to Mauritius, and we are also happy to announce that Alitalia will soon be starting its operations to Mauritius. So, we are working with the airlines that bring tourists and also with the markets where we have a reservoir of tourists.
One thing that we have realised is that direct connectivity is important for a tourist. Having to spend long hours in a stopover is not something that pleases everyone. But, for the first time, Madam Speaker, it will be possible for Mauritius to try to explore the possibly of having American tourists to Mauritius, because Kenya Airways will be flying direct to New York on a 40-hour flight, and the Americans take about two weeks holidays. So, then, it will be possible to attract some of the Americans to Nairobi so that they have the safari and the blue safari. It is possible to do that. We are working with Kenya Airways to see how we can generate that kind of traffic from the United States to come to Mauritius, because this is a market that we have not been able to tap because of the distance. No American would want to come to Mauritius and spend two days travelling, coming to Mauritius, and two days travelling going back. So, this is why this direct flight via Nairobi might be a game changer in terms of tourism from the United States.
Madam Speaker, as you are aware, we have a new director at the MTPA. He is naturally going to follow on the work that we have been doing in promoting the destination. We are still hoping that there will be quite a number of new destinations that we will be covering. Madam Speaker, you will recall that last year KLM started its operations to Mauritius. That also is a very significant player, and we do hope to tap into the Nordic countries market. But, there again, a lot of tourism depends on seasonality. When there is lovely weather in Europe, no one will want to come to Mauritius. When it is very cold in the Nordic countries, of course, they will want to come to Mauritius. So, we have to work on this.
This is why my personal opinion is that if we work very closely with Saudi Airlines, during the low season we will be able to generate a lot of traffic from the Arab world. Because when it is 50 degrees temperature in Saudi, it is about 15-16 degrees in Mauritius. When it is not raining at all in Saudi, in Mauritius, it is raining, and the Arabs want the rain. They luxuriate in the rain and the cool weather. But we must be able to attract that kind of market. But for us to be able to do that, again we need the hotel industry to work with us on this. The hotel industry today is geared towards the European market.
In fact, hon. Xavier Duval knows that the Eurocentric nature of our tourism industry is a handicap in development of the tourism industry. So, we need to look at other opportunities and see how we can generate more traffic from the non-traditional markets. Saudi is a non-traditional market. We have excellent relations with the Saudi Authorities and hon. Soodhun is a key in opening doors for us in Saudi.
He is a Sheik.
This is something that we want to work on. The African market, China, of course, but we are also very interested in developing ties with Japan and Korea.
Last Friday, there was a prize giving for golf in Bel Ombre. I attended the gala prize giving ceremony, and I was surprised to see among the golfers who came to play in Mauritius, people from Korea, China, the Czech Republic, the United States, Papeete Tahiti, very far, and someone had travelled about 36 hours to come to Mauritius to play golf. I believe that is something that we really need to work on. Golf is one activity that brings people who are high spenders, and maybe we can become one day like Singapore, where they can have bookings for golf years in advance. Who knows! It can happen, but we need to work on this. Madam Speaker, you will recall that recently we had an international conference on sustainability and digitalisation tourism, and I am very happy that in the Budget we have a lot of paragraphs dealing with digitalisation. What will happen with digitalisation in the tourism industry is very important. As we move forward with digitalisation, people booking online, people giving a lot of personal data to the hotels, there will be need to preserve the privacy of the customers, and this is why that particular conference was critical in getting everybody aware of the need to comply with the GDPR, the data protection provisions of the European Union, because many of our European tourists come to Mauritius and their data is stored somewhere. So, what we do with the data is very important and how we handle the data is also very important because we do not want our stakeholders to get into trouble with the European authorities when it comes to the protection of data.
Madam Speaker, I must say that when the Budget was presented, the stakeholders in the tourism industry were not very happy, but they were satisfied with the measures and they were even more satisfied because of the amount of money devoted to the protection of the environment. We all know about coastal erosion. This year has been a bad year because of the heavy rains and the cyclones which have also damaged a lot of the coasts.
We are spending quite an amount of money with my colleague the Minister of Environment on restoring the beaches to what they were before and in areas which have been totally degraded to see how we can improve on what has happened because the technology exists today. In fact, in the Caribbean, especially in Cuba, they have a technology which restores the public beaches and coastal erosion matters within a particularly short time. So, we are going to look at all recent technologies for the restoration of our coasts because the sea and the coast will be critical again for the tourism industry.
But, while we speak of the sea, in all my interventions, whether in Mauritius or elsewhere, I have been saying that Mauritius is more than the sea, the sand and the sun. There is a lot to know about Mauritius and we are spending quite some energy on promoting religious tourism, medical tourism and cultural tourism. We are having events all the year round. We are marketing the events; when the cruise season starts, we are planning to have a number of events in Port Louis to coincide with the arrival of the
cruisers so that at least those on the cruisers will be exposed to what Mauritius is all about.
The hon. Leader of the Opposition spoke about getting the tourists to come to get to know the local communities etc. Yes! But, we have a major problem. It is the all-inclusive packages that are marketed by the tour operators. Until and unless we succeed in dealing with that issue, the tourist who comes to Mauritius gets transport from the airport to the hotel, he is given breakfast, lunch, dinner and all drinks. Why should he go out? He is given everything there! I have been the Minister of Tourism on a number of occasions and I have been wrestling with this problem for many years and I know there is a lot of reticence on the part of the tour operators to let go of this. But, the time will come with online bookings and digitalisation that this will have to change. But, for this to change we must be able to offer to the tourists opportunities to spend their money.
Where do they spend their money? Entertainment, world-class restaurants, casinos, activities and everything that goes with a big entertainment centre! I have spoken to my colleague the Minister of Housing and Lands that we need to find land around the major hotel groups, let us say in Grand’ Baie, in Flic-en-Flac, in Bel Ombre, in Palmar and in Belle Mare, to find land that can be developed for the purpose of world-class restaurants and entertainment centres. We must be able to tell the tourists that if they go out of the hotel, they have opportunities there.
We must have a good transport system because if you are, let us say in Le Touessrok or Shangri-La's as it is now called, and you want to go to Flacq, do you have to take a taxi? That makes it even more difficult. I have also asked the hotels to put more lights where the hotels are because when there is big light people are comforted, they are not afraid, but when there is no light they are afraid to go out. So, we need to work on this. But I have to work on the legacy of what was there by the hon. Leader of the Opposition. These are things that he should have done a long time ago. Now we have to do it because we need to provide, especially for the Chinese tourists. I am happy that the development at Jin Fei will be one of those developments that will attract tourists. That will be one of the major entertainment centres in Mauritius once the whole project is completed. So, this is something that we will have to be looking at.
Madam Speaker, there are other things in the tourism industry that are of concern. We have the pleasure craft problems, we have the taxis. Every now and then in the newspapers you hear about the taxis. The taxis complain that they are not getting business from the hotels that they were used to. But I tell them the business model has changed. There was a time when the tourists would come to Mauritius and the only means of transport they would have to go anywhere was through a taxi. Today this has changed. Tourists can take the bus. They have already booked for their transport, for their excursions and for their visits and this is so much business that the taxi operator does not get and that creates a lot of problems for the taxis.
So, what I have suggested to them is to do like the big tour operators, go online, have a platform, sell your services, tell them what your tariffs are, tell them what are your rates; the Tourism Authority is working on that. Because, until and unless, we have clarity in the rates, there will be many tourists who will not want to take a taxi. As Minister I hear lots of complaints, I get letters. A taxi agrees to do a trip for Rs1,000 and along the way it has gone up to Rs2,000. So, this is the sort of thing that we need to be able to give confidence to the tourist that when he or she is taking a taxi, a public means of transport, the tariffs are there, the tariffs must be clearly spelt out. Of course, there will be one or two exceptions if somebody hires a car for the whole day or whatever. These are things that will happen, but we need to have a system that is transparent and a system that can really work in the interest of the whole community.
Madam Speaker, let me say that I have spoken to quite a number of people after the Budget, there is a lot of confidence that has been created in the country as a result of the Budget. There is a feel-good factor and there is a sense of purpose in the population, especially among the young. The young people today know that there is Rs1 billion earmarked for prospects for their employment. I think this is something that is unique and this is an opportunity that I hope will be seized upon by the young people to really try to get training so that they get empowered to become productive. There are a lot of skills that we need to develop. When I say skills, Madam Speaker, it is because we need skills in all sectors of the economy, including the tourism industry.
I am informed that we do not have qualified people to be Food and Beverages Manager in the hotels. We don’t have good sommeliers. We need to develop the skills and this is why this training programme will have to be across the board. It will have to cover all sectors of the economy and also the sectors of modern Mauritius, where we want to take Mauritius forward. So, this is the opportunity that the young people have. I hope that those
who will be responsible for implementing these provisions will bear in mind that Mauritius is moving forward, and instead of complaining about foreigners coming to Mauritius, we must have our own people capable of delivering at the level that the foreigners
are delivering. Until we do that, we will continue to have a problem of mismatch between skills and there will always be a lot of problems when we allow expatriates to come and work, whether in the hotel industry or in other sectors. So, let us work on this Budget! Some people say it is un budget populiste, électoraliste, but as far as I am concerned, I go by the word of the Prime Minister, he has another Budget to present next year and then we will go to the elections and we will present our bilan to the people.
Thank you very much.